Matrix: Reloaded

thedudewhosadude · Post by **thedudewhosadude** » Tue May 20, 2003 11:21 pm

the only "christinanity" i can find in the second movie is that Neo, Morpheus, and Trinity always walk in a triangle, Morpheus first, neo to our right, and trinity to our left. Hence the part of the Apostle's Creed, "..He is seated at the right of the father" or something like that. Note that i said our right. And there is some symbaolism in there that is not religious or anything. Like the time on the clock in the first movie, i think it's 8:14 or something, that's the b-day of one of the War. Brother's g/f. And the entire movie is actually based on one book, the title slips my mind, but we see it in the begining, when we takes out the CD from it. Much like Calothlicasm( i can't spell >.<!) is based on the bible.

EDIT: I'm not sure if they always walk in a triangle, i only saw it once.
EDIT2: Although i do agree with you about teachers taking it too far. Like she said something like the pods that the human's stay in are shaped like a womb. But neo is right next to trinity in the cypher scene, only he's "plugged" in. How else would she see the corpses? And how did cypher meet with an agent if he needs an operator to take him out and plug him in?

Guynietoren · Post by **Guynietoren** » Tue May 20, 2003 11:25 pm

Neo's real name means something to.
Thomas Anderson. If I remember right, Thomas was one of the 12 deciples. Anderson translates to "son of man". Morpheus the god of dreams, wakes people up, sends them back into the matrix as well. He's captan of the ship, but the operator really does all the computin'.

Does anyone else agree with me that...
[spoiler]the Counselor that talks with Neo is a computer program like the Oracle?

In the Machine room, he talkes to Neo about control. And the mere fact that he's not looking for any answers, but only to get Neo thinking on it. Just another way they manipulate people into making certain choices. Predeterminism my @$$.
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The triagle thing is interesting. But it does look cool,with the big smart strong gangsta man in front. His strongest man on his right, the guard dog. And the Babe on the left.
Except in the Bible, I believe He(the Trinity) was/is sitting at the throne in that formation. But metaphorically, it will aways be that way no matter where He is.

Invisible Egg! · Post by **Invisible Egg!** » Tue May 20, 2003 11:31 pm

thedudewhosadude wrote:And the entire movie is actually based on one book, the title slips my mind, but we see it in the begining, when we takes out the CD from it

That book was titled Simulation and Simulacrum, and the chapter he opened to was On Nihilism, if I recall correctly.

Guynietoren, your supermatrix theory is a good one, but there's one thing keeping me from accepting it. In my opinion, if "the real world" is just another layer of the matrix itself, well... that'd be lame. Lame as in "we took the easy way out when we wrote it" lame. But that's just because I don't want to believe it. I hope they explain it all in the third installment.

thedudewhosadude · Post by **thedudewhosadude** » Tue May 20, 2003 11:35 pm

EDIT: (in response to Guynietoren)yes, i do agree with you on that, but the only reason they made the oracle seem manipulative is because she died in sometime in Septerber, 2001, when most of her footage was already done. Or she could have just been manipultive anyway! And [spoiler]chances are the whole thing we think we know about the matrix is wrong. I mean, the guy at the end said that Trinity will die, even if he tries to save her. He was partially wrong. But then why couldn't Neo save the keymaker? He was so cool! I mean, he has a key to everything! Then wouldn't he have a key to exit the matrix (zion matrix)? [/spoiler] And another thing i realized is that the whole thing with the doors, they're all back-doors to something. I remember in a movie or something with a hacker in it, he was like "there's a back door to everything" when he was about to hack in.

Guynietoren · Post by **Guynietoren** » Tue May 20, 2003 11:41 pm

Logically, the simulated 'real world' would be a separate system. If it were run by the same matrix, you would have problems with processing speed, and it might be descovered easier if it were directly linked. I'm sure you could fix it all with fast machines and heavy encription, but it would waist resources.

(responding to thedudewhosadude)

[spoiler]
When the Architect told Neo there was no way to save her, it's just another control of persuasion. He didn't save the keymaker because he was too wrapped up in saving the world. I bet love has a role to play in it. How both Neo and Trinity are revived because of their love for each other.
The Architect may have also underestimated him.
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naw, 'The Back Door' is commonly used in refrence to the easy way in. The back door also leads refrence to the existance of a front door. I'm not challenging you, there may be several ways out of the Matrix and/or into the Source, but the machines would undoubtedly keep that hush hush.

thedudewhosadude · Post by **thedudewhosadude** » Tue May 20, 2003 11:47 pm

But think about it. It's hard for people to even believe the "real world" is a matrix once they're unplugged. And who was the first person unplugged? How would they become unplugged? I'm confused.

EDIT: [spoiler]But didn't the architect choose neo? Didn't he also choose his 6 "ancestors"? Because he knew what his choice was going to be, but he didn't know why. ARG!!! THE CHOICE CONCEPT!!!![/spoiler]

Guynietoren · Post by **Guynietoren** » Tue May 20, 2003 11:52 pm

[spoiler]The architect said that when the matrix restarts the One chooses 23 some odd people to occupy zion.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Neo's choice at the end didn't have anything to do with what reasons where present. He chose to try and save Trinity because of his emotions. [/spoiler]

thedudewhosadude · Post by **thedudewhosadude** » Tue May 20, 2003 11:54 pm

[spoiler]oh, so all of the "one's" were really one of the people that the past "one" chose?[/spoiler]

Guynietoren · Post by **Guynietoren** » Tue May 20, 2003 11:57 pm

[spoiler]The previous people who were the One, would obviously be given those powers by the higher system which governs the matrix. And around the loop we go.[/spoiler]

thedudewhosadude · Post by **thedudewhosadude** » Wed May 21, 2003 12:00 am

argg. How much you wanna bet that's going to be the dissapointing ending?

Invisible Egg! · Post by **Invisible Egg!** » Wed May 21, 2003 12:07 am

thedudewhosadude wrote:And who was the first person unplugged? How would they become unplugged?

I don't think the machines ever had the entire human race plugged into the matrix. The war between humans and machines was going on before the machines created the matrix. Survivors who were never plugged in found ways to free others who were born inside the matrix.

thedudewhosadude · Post by **thedudewhosadude** » Wed May 21, 2003 12:10 am

oh yea! ur right because i remember in the animatrix [spoiler]during the second renasiance (mainly part two) it explains what happened before the matrix, and it has that kid at the end who's running home and then WHAM! Plugged![/spoiler]

Invisible Egg! · Post by **Invisible Egg!** » Wed May 21, 2003 12:15 am

Probably my favorite message from Reloaded was about the co-dependency between humans and machines.

"We need them, and they need us."

The more I think about it, the scarier it is. I'd hate it if we suddenly didn't have machines, and I had to put my survival skills to the test. Like, I NEED the internet! (well not really, but I'd miss it if it was gone)

thedudewhosadude · Post by **thedudewhosadude** » Wed May 21, 2003 12:25 am

one thing that's bothering me is the development we're making in technology. It's like The Second Renasiance Part One. They started with working machines and moved on from there. On TLC i saw this show, and they presented a working construction robot. ::Shudders:: Scary

bountyhunterryouko · Post by **bountyhunterryouko** » Wed May 21, 2003 12:38 am

that way to much logic for one mind to handel..... kinda like sitting though though that boring science teacheres talks on...what ever he talk about... Really though....I'm lost......

and I'm not a blond........

I'm blue!!! ^_^