Tsukasa's fear

Kiekan · Post by **Kiekan** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:22 pm

Not only that, but it appears her entire outlook on the game and life itself has changed a little in Unison.

Tsukaru · Post by **Tsukaru** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:00 am

And this might just be me, but she seems a little more soft like feelings wise and stuff....

YamiJared · Post by **YamiJared** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:33 pm

hmm...but here's an issue to think of, the Tsukasa AI presents problems, when your character data is already online because of an AI, can you even log on like the real Tsukasa does? is Unison even canon? is the Tsukasa AI canon? and when the Tsukasa AI logs off, does logging into your character destroy that innocent AI? isnt a thing like that unbelievably cruel? god, Tsukasa's a butthole, seriously, questions to be debated, we've basically determined that Tsukasa isnt scared, mmkay?

mannshjj · Post by **mannshjj** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:25 am

YamiJared wrote:and when the Tsukasa AI logs off, does logging into your character destroy that innocent AI?

Um... No

AI Tsukasa is an AI meaning that he can't log out because he does'nt have a body in the real world. He's just a data copy of the original Tsukasa that wandered into Net Slum with all the other data. And he would'nt be destoyed, there would just be two Tsukasa's.

MaifunNoodle · Post by **MaifunNoodle** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:58 am

me thinks the reason why Tsukasa wouldn't log on to "the World" as often(as stated/related to prev. posts on the topic...) would be that (s)he doesn't have the need for an escape anymore...i personally watched the sub version so i don't know exactly what was going on with his/her family/daily life so much as i know it wasn't the best of situations...i think "the World" would have been the escape then, but now after all kinds of things ensue, he/she now has Mimiru and Subaru for support and escape...i think...

Tsukaru · Post by **Tsukaru** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 4:01 am

But then you go into more deatail and start to think about doctor bills from medical damage. Personally money is very stressful for myself as I know many others, and I would love to play "The World" just to calm my nerves down.

YamiJared · Post by **YamiJared** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:29 pm

well actually, Mia is an AI, and she can log off, I assumes it's like going to sleep or something, i dunno, so if Mia can, I don't see why the Trash Data AIs can't (because they do every once in a while) and what I meant is, 1. Tsukasa AI is logged in with TSUKASA'S PC data, and 2. the World is designed so that no two players can have the same username, so we CAN'T have two Tsukasas

mannshjj · Post by **mannshjj** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:52 pm

YamiJared wrote:well actually, Mia is an AI, and she can log off, I assumes it's like going to sleep or something, i dunno, so if Mia can, I don't see why the Trash Data AIs can't (because they do every once in a while) and what I meant is, 1. Tsukasa AI is logged in with TSUKASA'S PC data, and 2. the World is designed so that no two players can have the same username, so we CAN'T have two Tsukasas

What do mean Mia can log out? She does'nt have a body in the real world either, and when she does'nt join your party when you call her, it just means she's in some random field and isn't answering her email, like when she was starting to turn into Macha in OUTBREAK she was online because you see her in Carmita Gatalica (sp?) wondering around aimlessly. It does'nt mean that she's actually logged out. And not sure if the AI Tsukasa even counts as an actual player. (even though he looks and acts like one) After all, the original Tsukasa was online at the same time with the trash data copies of of him in .hack//SIGN, and nothing happened to either of the Tsukasa's. Also, in the final episode, Morganna made copies Tsukasa, Mimiru, and Subaru and neither of the originals got thrown offline. If all it took was a copy of Tsukasa's data to make him log out, then they could have gotten Helba to make a copy of his data, and avoided fighting Morganna in the first place. And seeing as the AI Tsukasa and Subaru appeared after the originals, I'd say they were the same AI's from the final episode which were no longer under control by Morganna (since she was defeated) so they just did their own thing, and acted like their original character's. (The AI Mimiru from the last episode melted away, so that's why you don't get her at the end of the game)

alucard · Post by **alucard** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:23 pm

I don't think Tsukasa is really an AI.

but he's not a user either ...... It's a bit of both status

Sepherioth · Post by **Sepherioth** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:32 pm

mannshjj wrote:
YamiJared wrote:well actually, Mia is an AI, and she can log off, I assumes it's like going to sleep or something, i dunno, so if Mia can, I don't see why the Trash Data AIs can't (because they do every once in a while) and what I meant is, 1. Tsukasa AI is logged in with TSUKASA'S PC data, and 2. the World is designed so that no two players can have the same username, so we CAN'T have two Tsukasas
What do mean Mia can log out? She does'nt have a body in the real world either, and when she does'nt join your party when you call her, it just means she's in some random field and isn't answering her email, like when she was starting to turn into Macha in OUTBREAK she was online because you see her in Carmita Gatalica (sp?) wondering around aimlessly. It does'nt mean that she's actually logged out. And not sure if the AI Tsukasa even counts as an actual player. (even though he looks and acts like one) After all, the original Tsukasa was online at the same time with the trash data copies of of him in .hack//SIGN, and nothing happened to either of the Tsukasa's. Also, in the final episode, Morganna made copies Tsukasa, Mimiru, and Subaru and neither of the originals got thrown offline. If all it took was a copy of Tsukasa's data to make him log out, then they could have gotten Helba to make a copy of his data, and avoided fighting Morganna in the first place. And seeing as the AI Tsukasa and Subaru appeared after the originals, I'd say they were the same AI's from the final episode which were no longer under control by Morganna (since she was defeated) so they just did their own thing, and acted like their original character's. (The AI Mimiru from the last episode melted away, so that's why you don't get her at the end of the game)

You are both right in certain aspects. mia can't log off like a PC.My theory is that she goes to a place, like Tsukasa does, that only certain people can get to i they are allowed.Yami is right though how you can't have 2 PCs named Tsukasa.Although 1 can be named "Tsukasa" and the other is named "Tsukasa " with a space at the end

YamiJared · Post by **YamiJared** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:58 pm

sephiroth, the world acts so that you can't have spaces or symbols, so only letters and numbers can be used, now alucard, you are totally lost, were not talking about that at all, and mannshjj, once again, you wonderfully back up your side with an awesome argument, bravo ^_^ and now, to battle! dum dum dumb!

well, in Outbreak and Mutation and whatnot, Mia will say she's done for the day and log out using a chaos gate, if she didnt log out, Elk wouldnt have such difficulty finding her, it's possible that she could have a special place, but Mia thinks she's an ordinary character, if she had a special place, she'd probably mention it or you'd somehow discover it or something, now the Tsukasa clones in Net Slum are different, they don't function as PCs, theyre just broken images and graphics, those copies Morganna made, you could debate that theyre PCs, but frankly, theyre more like avatars of Morganna, enhanced NPCs or something, and since Tsukasa has a soul, making an AI copy wouldnt boot him out, and ANALYSIS specifically says how AI Tsukasa and Subaru were born, Tsukasa out of the old graphics, and Subaru from holding Aura's hand, anyway, moving on, mannshjj, if your theory on the AIs was true, then we'd have 2 Tsukasas (both Mimiru and Subaru encountered seperate Tsukasas) and the AI Tsukasa and Subaru can receive emails, give you their member addresses (hereby proving they are PCs) can battle, and can interact with other characters normally, i doubt the NPCs can do any of this! and since there CAN'T be exact duplicates of players, perhaps when Tsukasa and Subaru log in, they take control of the AIs like when Morganna takes over Mia?

Sepherioth · Post by **Sepherioth** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:06 pm

I did Not Know that you couldn't use spaces in the names but now i do so withdraw my comment about that.

En der · Post by **En der** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 12:33 am

Sepherioth wrote:Yami is right though how you can't have 2 PCs named Tsukasa. Although 1 can be named "Tsukasa" and the other is named "Tsukasa " with a space at the end

YamiJared wrote:ephiroth, the world acts so that you can't have spaces or symbols, so only letters and numbers can be used,

Sephiroth is right *gasp* you can't have two players named "Tsukasa". However, they could be PRONOUNCED the same, so maybe one is name "Tsukasa" and the other "Tsookasa" lol

mannshjj · Post by **mannshjj** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:06 am

That was rather pointless Sepherioth.

But anyway, back to what we were talking about. No, Mia does have a place, it's just an orinary field (a mushroom field, like where Sora hangs out), Plenteous Smilling Hypha I think it was, Elk takes you there in .hack//INFECTION because he wanted the bracelet so Mia would hang around him again and not Kite, but he says that that field was his and Mia's favorite place. So I'm guessing she goes there when she says she's going to "log out". I won't get into how Mia can deify Morganna and act on her own, because that's a whole other topic. As for the AI's, their probably an advanced form of NPC that retain the original personallities and memories of the original PC's, and they e-mail you and stuff because their programmed to do that. Think of them like a viedo tape. It's blank at first, but when who tape a show on it, it becomes an exact copy of the show you taped, because it's programmed to. It's programmed to show all the things the original characters said, and show all the things that they do; I think you get my point. It's possible that the original Tsukasa and Subaru could have sent the same e-mails that their AI copies sent. But in any case there is no possible way they have someone controling them in real life. Helba said herself that they were data copies of the originals. And besides NPC's can think for themselves to some extent (now I'm not talking about the shopkeepers in root towns) the inhabitants of Net Slum act on their own with their own distinct personallities, and they answer questions and have conversations, and no one's controling them. And as for two Tsukasa's on at once, they never were on at the same time, or it could be that the real Tsukasa has been trying to get online all this time, and can't figure out why, but It's really because their's an AI copy of him running around and he doesn't know it.

Edit:No Ender, both Tsukasa's names are spelled the same way.

MaifunNoodle · Post by **MaifunNoodle** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:52 am

YamiJared, perhaps the duplicate/AI Tsukasa and Subaru were created to confuse and somewhat "break" apart the team...to separate them so they wouldn't be so close anymore to not make Subaru and Mimiru be with him anymore...perhaps leave him so them not want to help him...maybe...i think

something along the lines of "he's not really the person he seems to be..." perhaps...maybe someone could help elaborate?

(yes, i know...just don't want to ruin anything...

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