I'm confused about the coma business

Laxjeff2002 · Post by **Laxjeff2002** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:43 pm

I dont really understand what happens when the .Hack characters get the coma, do they BECOME the character or something? I dont understand that

Guynietoren · Post by **Guynietoren** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 9:40 pm

The mind and body become separated. The mind enters the game, and naturally the body falls into a coma. Sort of.

Xeno · Post by **Xeno** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 10:01 pm

Guynietoren wrote:The mind and body become separated. The mind enters the game, and naturally the body falls into a coma. Sort of.

Thats the basic idea....Remember this is fantasy and doesn't really have to make much sense.... The idea someones mind could become trapped in a game while they're in coma in the hospital is....absurd... BUT IT MAKES FOR GOOD TV!

Guynietoren · Post by **Guynietoren** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 10:14 pm

Just made by some bloke who's trying to explain the human soul with science.

lean not on your own understanding
Some things are designed so that they can't be explained. Pride is only something that can be tripped over, when it gets to big. Beliefs have no assurances, it's based on trust. I wouldn't go out of my way to understand things that aren't important to know how or why.

Sorry, I just had to show that there's a bit of atheism in the plot. It bothers me is all.

FireDraconian · Post by **FireDraconian** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 4:09 pm

You wouldn't try to understand things like that? Jeeze, man, where's your curiousity?

And I've heard it said elsewhere on the board that perhaps The World's computers are so advanced (being able to house not only so many players in a 3D environment, but also several fully functional AIs), that it's possible to actually upload the 'computer' of the human mind into the game itself.

Guynietoren · Post by **Guynietoren** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 4:53 pm

Maybe the mind was converted into an AI type of format. Self aware, not just a file.

FireDraconian · Post by **FireDraconian** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:41 pm

Good idea. So, basically, Tsukasa's mind was uploaded onto The World and became a sort of AI. I wonder, does this mean that his body was basically a blank disk? Could Morganna or Aura have downloaded themselves onto his body?

Sora · Post by **Sora** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 2:04 am

The answer is 'no'.

[spoiler]Remember, when Tsukasa was effectively 'killed' by his Guardian, his body responded, and quite obviously, too. There is still a connection there. As with most coma victims, there is still -some- brain activity, but not a great amount.. and often, not enough to be reason to consider them aware. [/spoiler]

Morganna could not have downloaded herself into his body if only because her mind is probably too vast for a human body to house. Also, Aura and Morganna, being AI, more than likely lack the neural capacities to 'feel' or 'touch' or respond in any way to the real world. It's never shown that Aura can feel at all. Her 'senses' are those of a digital awareness, not one that could function in a human body.

FireDraconian · Post by **FireDraconian** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 2:30 am

So basically, while his brain was uploaded into The World, they still needed to keep some kind of connection there to keep him alive. Makes sense. After all, since he isn't based in The World computer system like the other AI's are, if his body were to die, so would he. And his body would require some brain activity to continue to fuction.

Invisible Egg! · Post by **Invisible Egg!** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:00 am

Maybe it isn't actually "uploading". Maybe the comatose players are using some sort of metaphysical "wireless" connection to play?

Pipian · Post by **Pipian** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:14 am

I hope they comply with 802.11...

I'd hate for Tsukasa to be giving my wireless network interference...

FireDraconian · Post by **FireDraconian** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 6:43 am

That would be interesting. If the connection is indeed 'wireless', could there be interference? Can people pick up on Tsukasa's thoughts with their cell phones? Everything is made by the same company, I believe, so such interface might be possible. Of course, would a human's thoughts be simple enough for a cell phone to decode and broadcast?

Guynietoren · Post by **Guynietoren** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 5:38 pm

Nah, I'd doubt Tsukasa's brain was made by the same company. I see it as a dissorder involving awarness. It is possible for the brain to interpret electronic signals, though there isn't much on it at the moment. It happens to me sometimes when I'm playing an 1st person shooter. At times I can just feel when a character is running up behind me. It's pretty weird. But it rarely happens.

But what if that went into an extreme case, where your mind was only interpreting electronic signals and numbing out all the normal human senses. The theme feels like the Matrix a lot, except there's no physical link.

I have no doubts that the brain can't decipher signals that we aren't aware of. More likely than deciphering a human signal(other brain waves), which naturally wouldn't be very consistant.

I don't beleive that human thoughts are very simple. They gain and lose focus quite fast. Interferance wouldn't be consistant enough to cause any problems. Maybe some memories trigger different feelings and signals, but there focus and intensity is too variable. It would take an incredible amount of focus to transmit human thoughts into a computer.

It's more likely that Tsukasa could live in the World, but not to interact. To have people actually see him there would require pretty advanced software, like an AI perhaps, to manipulate human signals.

Whew, I thing that incorporates everything. If it were real, that is.

FireDraconian · Post by **FireDraconian** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:04 pm

Which brings Morganna into it. She assists the entire process by 'helping' Tsukasa remain in The World?

[spoiler]Maybe when Morganna nearly deletes him later, leaving him a vegetable next to Aura's vacant bed, she withdraws her assistance?[/spoiler]

Guynietoren · Post by **Guynietoren** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:58 pm

It seems that,

[spoiler]Morganna may be manipulating Tsukasa's Inputs and Outputs. By just manipulating the inputs, she could get Tsukasa to feel intense pain, and see himself falling apart. Making him beleive something is going on, but he's only hallucinating.[/spoiler]