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Well, so far we've 4 different series - AI Busters, SIGN, LIMINALITY and the games, and Dusk. And over the course of all of them, with the possible exception of Dusk, we've not seen the true definition of the force that is working against the world. We know that no matter what happens in the games, Kite hasn't completely banished the threat... whatever it is. Perhaps only pushed it back for a time, but not defeated it.
So... lets all do the fun thing, and RAMPANTLY speculate on what the frell is going on with the .hack universe.
At this point, we know that the hackers (not the .hackers, just the regular day to day hackers) can do a lot with The World. We've obviously seen that the current source of trouble in Dusk seems to be a group of hackers, although who they are and if they're working for any larger cause remains to be seen.
Then again, we can also remember that the Pluto's Kiss virus was created by a 10 year old. Could these kids be associates of that origional viral creator? No wait, that was a bit too long ago... admirers? Who knows...
The fact that they know about Aura is telling though, and that they know how to CREATE hacked monsters is also rather disturbing. Up until this point, I at least had assumed that hacked monsters only appeared as an endemic of the data corruption that was ripping through The World.
So... lets hear those theories!
Rampant, Spoilerish Speculation
Rampant, Spoilerish Speculation
Cha.
~Perpetual Thorn of Logic and Reason~
~Perpetual Thorn of Logic and Reason~
Is it a pure coincidence that some of the nastiest crackers in this setting are children? Or are we dealing with someone else who likes to make use of children for various purposes?
I start to get suspicious when lots of kids are capable of monkeying around with forces once attributed to Morgana and other assorted nasty things start surfacing.
I start to get suspicious when lots of kids are capable of monkeying around with forces once attributed to Morgana and other assorted nasty things start surfacing.
~ Resident Voodoo Techie ~
... uhm, random thoughts, jumbled... no organization... GO!
- Kite... either... somehow magically get's killed before defeating the 8th phase, or chooses not to fight good ole 'nic.
- The way things look in LotTB, Balmung... seems to have an attraction to BlackRose... or he's just a gentleman.
- Concerning Sora and Skeith... Sora/Shadrad... uhm, on the LJ, when you said, "Well, Kite never finishes Data Draining Skeith," (or something ot the extent) were you... disoriented, half-away, and up at like, 2am when you wrote that? O_o; 'Cause, uhm, if you beat Skeith w/o "fully" Data Draining him, how DID you beat him?
- Concerning Aura... because there needs to be open options, why not have an Aura = Emma theory? XD Aura is supposed to awaken, like, GET REBORN... like, a Revival... ^_~
- And Mireille's name... have you guys ever seen Noir? ... just wondering. XD And speaking about Mireille, was there a reason why she has the same appearance as Mistral in the manga? ... kind of off-topic, but, just wondering. XP
- Does anyone else think the option to have Shugo and Rena's parents divorced will affect the twins relationship? Like, why they're so clingy to each other? O_o;
- And Kite... there's this serious, "KITE AND BLACKROSE ARE DEAD!" vibe I get from LotTb... like, uhm, what if they both die somehow, and CC Corp, being the typical business they are, covers it up, and dispells such things with the Player Character Campaign? ... which brings up the question that Balmung and Reki were looking for: Who put together the Campaign thingie?
- Speaking of our "dead friends," the CC Corp, anyone else think they caused Pluto Kiss? I mean, it's just a _LITTLE_ suspicious that they're OS was not affected by Pluto Kiss. Programming a virus to wipe out evey OS except yours, thus making yours sell more... sounds like a very "businessy" thing to do. XD
- Kite... either... somehow magically get's killed before defeating the 8th phase, or chooses not to fight good ole 'nic.
- The way things look in LotTB, Balmung... seems to have an attraction to BlackRose... or he's just a gentleman.
- Concerning Sora and Skeith... Sora/Shadrad... uhm, on the LJ, when you said, "Well, Kite never finishes Data Draining Skeith," (or something ot the extent) were you... disoriented, half-away, and up at like, 2am when you wrote that? O_o; 'Cause, uhm, if you beat Skeith w/o "fully" Data Draining him, how DID you beat him?
- Concerning Aura... because there needs to be open options, why not have an Aura = Emma theory? XD Aura is supposed to awaken, like, GET REBORN... like, a Revival... ^_~
- And Mireille's name... have you guys ever seen Noir? ... just wondering. XD And speaking about Mireille, was there a reason why she has the same appearance as Mistral in the manga? ... kind of off-topic, but, just wondering. XP
- Does anyone else think the option to have Shugo and Rena's parents divorced will affect the twins relationship? Like, why they're so clingy to each other? O_o;
- And Kite... there's this serious, "KITE AND BLACKROSE ARE DEAD!" vibe I get from LotTb... like, uhm, what if they both die somehow, and CC Corp, being the typical business they are, covers it up, and dispells such things with the Player Character Campaign? ... which brings up the question that Balmung and Reki were looking for: Who put together the Campaign thingie?
- Speaking of our "dead friends," the CC Corp, anyone else think they caused Pluto Kiss? I mean, it's just a _LITTLE_ suspicious that they're OS was not affected by Pluto Kiss. Programming a virus to wipe out evey OS except yours, thus making yours sell more... sounds like a very "businessy" thing to do. XD
and god said unto cain, "wow you're pretty stupid."
I'm not coherent (yay! anti-flu drugs!) enough to keep up a good strong response to all of those, but I can say one thing...
From what we've seen in the series, how important is every detail on a fact that they've given us? I think, more than anything else, the fact that the Pluto Kiss was written by a 10 year old, is the most important thing in that. They don't say what happened to him, though. They haven't. I don't know what it could be... But... That, for some reason, has always stood out to me when I read it in the timeline. o.o; Don't ask. I'm just stating what I think. Everyone else take this and see what you can come up with, perhaps?
From what we've seen in the series, how important is every detail on a fact that they've given us? I think, more than anything else, the fact that the Pluto Kiss was written by a 10 year old, is the most important thing in that. They don't say what happened to him, though. They haven't. I don't know what it could be... But... That, for some reason, has always stood out to me when I read it in the timeline. o.o; Don't ask. I'm just stating what I think. Everyone else take this and see what you can come up with, perhaps?
When you think about it, that 10 year old could anyone... including Balmung. Which could explain why he hates them: psychological trauma as a youth... which is where Rhyste comes in and huggles him to deaaath. 
Or he could be a cracker who hates script kiddies and hackers... but then again, Helba seems more like a cracker than a hacker. :O
... right, well, now that I'm done exploring Balmung options... back on topic... @_@
What if Pluto Kiss really was made by CC Corp and they use the 10 year old as a front; he doesn't exist, so we never hear about him, ever again.
Which could explain why he hates them: psychological trauma as a youth... which is where Rhyste comes in and huggles him to deaaath. Or he could be a cracker who hates script kiddies and hackers... but then again, Helba seems more like a cracker than a hacker. :O... right, well, now that I'm done exploring Balmung options... back on topic... @_@
What if Pluto Kiss really was made by CC Corp and they use the 10 year old as a front; he doesn't exist, so we never hear about him, ever again.
and god said unto cain, "wow you're pretty stupid."
Actually, I doubt that CC Company has anything to do with the player character campaign - Sanjuro and Balmung are acting as if it wasn't that unusual to SEE Kite and Black Rose wandering around - Balmung was a little more surprised than Sanjuro, but that speaks volumes about them having kept up with the .hackers.
I doubt that CC Company is going to be able to 'rub out' anyone RL because of this. Its not exactly something you want to be CAUGHT doing, and given how famous Kite and Black Rose ARE...
I can see the Pluto's Kiss being something released by CC Company - after all, it brought their OS to primacy, da? Then again, CC Company has also been doing a bit of wish fufillment as well... do you think they would cast themselves as the villians!
I doubt that CC Company is going to be able to 'rub out' anyone RL because of this. Its not exactly something you want to be CAUGHT doing, and given how famous Kite and Black Rose ARE...
I can see the Pluto's Kiss being something released by CC Company - after all, it brought their OS to primacy, da? Then again, CC Company has also been doing a bit of wish fufillment as well... do you think they would cast themselves as the villians!
Cha.
~Perpetual Thorn of Logic and Reason~
~Perpetual Thorn of Logic and Reason~
There is something more to this than what we're being shown.
I can't conceive of a group of children being malicious enough to recreate the comas that plagued the game 5 years prior. I can't help but think that someone must have taught these kids how to do this and convince them that it was acceptable behavior.
I hope.
I shudder to think that we might be simply seeing the 21st century's answer to the script kiddie.
I can't conceive of a group of children being malicious enough to recreate the comas that plagued the game 5 years prior. I can't help but think that someone must have taught these kids how to do this and convince them that it was acceptable behavior.
I hope.
I shudder to think that we might be simply seeing the 21st century's answer to the script kiddie.
~ Resident Voodoo Techie ~
.... one day, I'm going to make this Anti-Kite/Shugo page (largest reason why I hate Kite is because of his outfit XP), and it's gunna be called "Script Kiddies." XP
And... how do you know CC Corp wouldn't do something about them? If they could expose something that could ruin them, then kill the serpent while it vaguely has teeth so it does not come back and k33l j00.
Surely we all saw the beginning part of OVA1: they're crude business men. XP
And... how do you know CC Corp wouldn't do something about them? If they could expose something that could ruin them, then kill the serpent while it vaguely has teeth so it does not come back and k33l j00.
Surely we all saw the beginning part of OVA1: they're crude business men. XP
and god said unto cain, "wow you're pretty stupid."
I hardly think the kids are malicious.
I think it's more a matter of children having the knowledge to do things that we, right now, cannot, and lacking a developed sense of morals to know the full effect of their actions. It's naiieve innocence, more than anything else, I believe.
And I think it's less a matter of them being geniuses, and more that they've probably been exposed to computers, the internet, and programming in general for almost all of their lives, if not all of them, and so they've grown up learning this stuff that people today have to spend a lot of time going out of their way to learn. It isn't mainstream knowledge now like it is in the time of .hack, especially //Dusk (reference to the hacker quartet)
It's a contrast of the times, to me. What children today know and do, compared to ten or twenty years ago is astonishing, to me.
I think it's more a matter of children having the knowledge to do things that we, right now, cannot, and lacking a developed sense of morals to know the full effect of their actions. It's naiieve innocence, more than anything else, I believe.
And I think it's less a matter of them being geniuses, and more that they've probably been exposed to computers, the internet, and programming in general for almost all of their lives, if not all of them, and so they've grown up learning this stuff that people today have to spend a lot of time going out of their way to learn. It isn't mainstream knowledge now like it is in the time of .hack, especially //Dusk (reference to the hacker quartet)
It's a contrast of the times, to me. What children today know and do, compared to ten or twenty years ago is astonishing, to me.
Ah, but we're also missing another point - the AI systems that we're seeing in The World as well. We know that they're playing some role - Morgana vs Aura and the rest of the rogue AIs, but what are they fighting for control of? While it might seem differently to them, the World isn't exactly big kibble, even if it is the only game out there.
The big point for me is going to come on HOW affected Tsukasa was by all of this AFTER he gets out. Did Morgana rewrite big bits of his brain? If so, the comas and such might possibly be a prelude to something bigger, if the AIs want control. You could turn a simple kid into a genius hacker just by sucking them into the world, rewriting their brain, and giving them a massive hatred of the .hackers.
Dang, I wish we had a bit more information... this could be interesting...
The big point for me is going to come on HOW affected Tsukasa was by all of this AFTER he gets out. Did Morgana rewrite big bits of his brain? If so, the comas and such might possibly be a prelude to something bigger, if the AIs want control. You could turn a simple kid into a genius hacker just by sucking them into the world, rewriting their brain, and giving them a massive hatred of the .hackers.
Dang, I wish we had a bit more information... this could be interesting...
Cha.
~Perpetual Thorn of Logic and Reason~
~Perpetual Thorn of Logic and Reason~
O_O; Thats scary. ;-;The big point for me is going to come on HOW affected Tsukasa was by all of this AFTER he gets out. Did Morgana rewrite big bits of his brain? If so, the comas and such might possibly be a prelude to something bigger, if the AIs want control. You could turn a simple kid into a genius hacker just by sucking them into the world, rewriting their brain, and giving them a massive hatred of the .hackers.
One thing I really want to know is just -what- those kids in episode 5 of Udeden are up to? They know too much! o_o;
And no, don't kill Kite or Shugo! *glomps* ;___; They're too cool!
Durhi - Retarded puchiguso
I suppose that time will ultimately tell how things are going to unfold. But that statement right there makes an unsettling amount of sense. Could we be dealing with another AI in Dusk? If you think about it, 'The Wave' could very well be an invasion from outside of the game, though I have no earthly idea how it could have been predicted by the original writers and programmers unless there's something ugly going on at CC we haven't heard of yet.Rune Grey wrote:Did Morgana rewrite big bits of his brain? If so, the comas and such might possibly be a prelude to something bigger, if the AIs want control. You could turn a simple kid into a genius hacker just by sucking them into the world, rewriting their brain, and giving them a massive hatred of the .hackers.
~ Resident Voodoo Techie ~
Must have missed this...- Concerning Sora and Skeith... Sora/Shadrad... uhm, on the LJ, when you said, "Well, Kite never finishes Data Draining Skeith," (or something ot the extent) were you... disoriented, half-away, and up at like, 2am when you wrote that? O_o; 'Cause, uhm, if you beat Skeith w/o "fully" Data Draining him, how DID you beat him?
To answer your questions, no, no, and yes. I'm only incoherent around 6:00 AM, just so you know.
To answer your last question, you need to protect break Skeith before your data drain will have any effect. It's been a while since I talked to Kite about the process specifically (I think it's either attack + data drain to destroy invulnerability, pretty much), but the main point is, Kite didn't go through the whole process. He protect broke him, but didn't get to data drain him a (second?) time, Skeith just dissolved and 'became' Kubiya.
As of now, nobody can explain the significance of that, but likely it will be explained in volume for.
And, as a note I didn't make clear beforehand and am making now, let's try to keep threads on the original topic, in this section o.o new speculations should be started in new threads, if they don't key into the current one. Of course they're all tied together in their own way, but let's just try to keep it orderly. This one and the question of Aura need to have new threads, as they're both valid points of speculation and it would be a waste to not devote enough attention to them.
This is mostly for orginizational purposes, too. If we want to find certain posts to quote or reread, it will be much easier of the subject matter is clearly defined in the beginning ^^;