May I please say...

ichi · Post by **ichi** » Fri May 09, 2003 2:03 am

{SNAP!} "Ow!" (Begins counting toes.) Okay... I just waned to say that I thank all the troops that went overseas to help protect our country (... I guess that's what they did...) and keep up thegood work! Now, where did that last toe get to?

Nebu · Post by **Nebu** » Fri May 09, 2003 2:33 am

I hope that "snap" didn't mean what i think it meant...

oh, and me too...

WavemasterJisu · Post by **WavemasterJisu** » Fri May 09, 2003 2:41 am

..i didn't like the sound of that crack... o.O

My hopes and prayers are out to those at war! ~_^

Guynietoren · Post by **Guynietoren** » Fri May 09, 2003 5:05 pm

Iraq is in anarchy right now. We still have a lot of work to do over there. This is the time where the USA can make a good name for itself. Any 3rd wave nation can easily defeat a 2nd wave in a war. Making Iraq a stable country is the biggest objective, far greater than toppling a regime. So that the rest of the world may one day see that our actions are the same as our intentions.

MahoTheNeko · Post by **MahoTheNeko** » Fri May 09, 2003 8:37 pm

Snap? oh no, Chile say NO to the war, and im in the same position... USA is out of control, they make what they want and when they want... but one day that big force named USA will see that they are not alone in the world and there are many big countrys/forces like Germany, China, etc... that gonna fight if USA is still arogant...

Only one thing more... "protecting our country" ... from what? the war wasnt in USA it was in Iraq, so... what is so dangerous for USA?

Tsukasa · Post by **Tsukasa** » Fri May 09, 2003 10:22 pm

It has been proven that Iraq was helping part of the terrorist acts that were taken against the US. Since the war started, we have captured more of the Al Qaida (sp?) people than I heard about before it all happened. I've heard that they have unspoken evidence of chemical weapons and such, from friends who are in the military.

Honestly, if Hussein was dealing a part of the terroristic acts against our nation (which I think he was), then he needs to be taken out of power. We've been talking for the past 11 years. I don't think he needs 'more time' at this point.

If I'm correct, wasn't it the people who wanted talks the reason why the Gulf War ended in the first place, and Hussein stayed where he was? This had to end 11 years ago. Unfortunately, it didn't. So this time, it did. Let's hope it stays that way.

Perhaps Chili said no. But last I checked, Chili didn't have a disaster such as the World Trade Center happen there. They weren't any threat to Chili. If we were seeking to help Iraq, then we were seeking a way to defend ourselves from a situation that could have been much worse.

Guynietoren · Post by **Guynietoren** » Fri May 09, 2003 10:48 pm

The Iraq people had previous lived in oppression. Always under presure left and right to do EXACTLY what Hussain dictated. They had claimed to be democratic(the leader being voted into power by the masses), but he was the only canidate. You can imagine how people would be afraid to run against him. Control over the secret police is a powerful thing, which makes people seemingly disappear. I seem to remember the Iraqi welcoming US forces, and the thousands of Iraqi soldiers who surrendered at their first chance. The Iraqis were certainly not loyal to him. Please tell me if I've missinterpreted something here.

Sora · Post by **Sora** » Fri May 09, 2003 11:05 pm

And Iraq hates the US. With a passion. There are many reasons for this that I won't get into, but the fact is, he hates us, and he'd do anything he could to bring us to our knees. That's a fact.

And we don't want that. Not when it may be possible for him, in the future, to get the MEANS to do just that.

So yes, we are protecting ourselves.

I objected to the war for the same reason most countries did. I thought America was stepping out of its bounds. But there were other factors I had forgotten to take into account which changed my mind. Mainly, the fact that North Korea can and would sell Iraq weapons to potentially destroy us. We can't touch North Korea because they're holding South Korea hostage, more or less. We can't get to the source of -that- threat. But we can stop the threat's means of harming us (indirectly. NK doesn't hate us, they just want more stuff from us), which means we stop the countries that hate us with the religious and political fervor that Iraq does.

I'm not a big fan of this country's policies. The Patriot Act is SCARING me.

But I applaud the soldiers who want to defend our safety by putting their lives at risk. I'll applaud them any day.

MahoTheNeko · Post by **MahoTheNeko** » Sat May 10, 2003 3:06 am

Sorry but here... the most of the people hate USA, and that's the same case many zones of Europe
But.. that not the tema...
If Saddam and Iraq got "secret" biologic and Chemical bombs and weapons.. then WHY THEY DONT USE THEM?! the answers is simple, THERE ARENT CHEMICAL WEAPONS... the was some kind of factory for these weapons but the the Iraqiues destroyed that factory for the peace of all... and this is the final of that plan, USA destroyed a complete country and now there are trying to rebulid it with they ideas...
Yeah , Chile ( or chili, call it as you want, and im calling u EEUU, thats the name that we use for u people ) didn't have a disaster such as the World Trade Center, but we dont get in trouble, we dont get into other countryes and make wars, Chile wasnt on the First and second world war, in one word, chile fight chiles fights and not fights in other places of the world... and... if u wanna know, in 1973 there was a man, named PINOCHET, i dont think u know hes name, but he was a Chilean guy that with the help of USA maked a big trouble in Chile, he killed the president ( i dont know how to say it in english but in spanish its a "golpe de estado") and the army was controling the country ( Chilean army under USA orders ) so... i think most of the thinks happends are for something... i think if we start counting deads Chile has more deads in that "golpe de estado" as USA in the Twin Towers, it was a terrible time for chile from 1973 to 1989, so... i think we Chileans know from what we are talking, Im not angry to the USA people like you people, im angry with the goverment of EEUU ( USA )
If it was self defense then all the world should attak EEUU ( USA ) right now, USA is one of the most powerfull countrys of the world and for USA its very simple take control to the little countrys like Chile and the most of the South-Amerikan countrys...
And the most stupid thing is that because why said "no to the war" USA dont make more bussines with us, we had a important Treaty but in Revenge of our Decisions for the war stuff Bush is canceling this... justice?
Bah... dont take it personal, its only my view of USA and the world

Sora · Post by **Sora** » Sat May 10, 2003 6:13 am

The chemical weapons thing is still under debate. I've seen proof on both sides that there are/aren't any, but that's not the point.

Iraq didn't outright use them because it's against the Geneva Convention, and then ALL of the countries that object to that stuff would have to obliterate Iraq. They use those things secretly because Hussein didn't WANT Iraq to get squashed.

Rhyste · Post by **Rhyste** » Sat May 10, 2003 7:22 am

None of us have enough information to make arguements and/or statements and other BS on this "war;" probably because... so far it looks like none of us work for are on Bush's council/advisory/thingie. Quite simply; I don't think the Media knows either.

If Saddam and Iraq got "secret" biologic and Chemical bombs and weapons.. then WHY THEY DONT USE THEM?!

Our cease fire with North Korea ended about a year ago and they came out in public, stated they had nuclear weapons, and they still haven't used them.

THERE ARENT CHEMICAL WEAPONS

... if there's a country that hates the US, chances are they have a weapon OF SOME SORT.

( or chili, call it as you want, and im calling u EEUU, thats the name that we use for u people )

... excuse my stereotypical American Ignorance, but WTF does EEUU stand for?

And WTF does Chili/Chile/Chilie/RED STUFF WITH BEEF AND BEANS AND TOMATOS IN IT THAT TASTES GOOD THAT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE THE NAME OF A COUNTRY IN SOUTH AMERICA have to do with... Iraq? Wow, like, zero correlation so far there.

Tsukasa · Post by **Tsukasa** » Sat May 10, 2003 3:46 pm

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It's when you say that the US is one of the most 'powerful nations'. That's where it is. That's why people hate us. I don't care if people say that we should back out of other countries' problems. Yes, that's what I'd like to see- for us to keep our mind on our problems as well. But we've also been there to assist other countries in times of need. That's what's happened with N. Korea, in fact.

Perhaps when WWII happened, it may have been best that we stayed out of it. In fact, if I remember correctly, we attempted to do just that, until Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

By the way, just so you know, it could have been Germany with the atomic bomb in WWII. I wonder how most people would have felt if Hitler bombed random parts of the world with them? A man by the name of Albert Einstein was behind the research of heavy water that eventually lead to the atomic bomb there. He turns, and takes that research, and gives it to the US. From Germany. And told us to build it to prevent him from doing it.

Saddam Hussein has -always- been a threat to the US. I'm actually glad that we went in there to get him out. I was afraid of it at first, but after seeing what happened when we got there, I'm glad it happened. I bet that if Hitler existed today, people would be telling us to wait as well with him.

About the facts- my astronomy teacher is one of the people I respect the most. Anything I hear from her, is going to be held in much more regard than I hear from the news. She's one of the people that told me that 'The media only knows less than 15% of what's really happening.'

When you think about it, that's most likely true. There's no way you can really settle judgement on what you hear from the media alone. That then becomes biased and starts to cause silly little debates.

I don't care what people think about me. I also don't care what other people think about my country. I'm not the world's most patriotic person at all, however, I do believe that while we live here, we have a right to live under protection here. Just so people know, there were several targets for the 9/11 attacks, only two of them were made. The Pentagon and the World Trade Center.

Two of the other locations from what I've heard were Los Angeles International Airport (I've got several close friends in LA- and disabling that airport would disable many of the world's travels) and the World Trade Center in Dallas (this is where I live. And the WTC in Dallas is not as spectacular as the one in NYC, but Dallas is an import hub because of DFW Airport in the same proximity, things come here, and go out of here to get to other parts of the US).

I'm getting rambly about stuff now, making this a lot more lengthy than it should be. However, currently, the US is in the process of preparing things to leave Iraq, and to see that they'll be more stable.

I think it's pointless, though, for when war has started that people still protest it happening. If we backed out, we'd be struck hard on the way out. It's a case of starting something that we cannot stop. If we started it, we have to finish it. Makes me think of a book I read a long time ago by the name of Jumanji. -_^ (I don't like the movie, even if it has Robin Williams in it.) The protesters don't seem to realize what could happen to us should we back out, but it's probably obvious that they don't care anyway. *shrugs*

I'm just more upset that people seem to be more focused on protesting against the war, than to support the people who are actually there and are risking their lives for the country. You may not have the same ideals, but at least realize that there are men fighting men there. We released the POWs in Iraq, without humiliating them or broadcasting them to the nation, so that everyone could see them... not like Iraq did (and I still horribly disapprove of them doing that- it was cruel. very very unnecessary and cruel).

However, none of us have the right to judge what's being done, because, like I said, we don't know the whole story. There's no such thing as being able to make an accurate judgement if you don't know it. About the story thing, go see a movie called Deep Impact. ^-^ The first 20-30 minutes will explain that the government doesn't tell everything. They never have, they never will. I honestly think that if it is for the best of our nation, then more power to them. If they tell something to the media, the WORLD will hear about it, and we obviously don't want that with some things.

Sora · Post by **Sora** » Sat May 10, 2003 4:16 pm

Tsukasa wrote: Saddam Hussein has -always- been a threat to the US. I'm actually glad that we went in there to get him out. I was afraid of it at first, but after seeing what happened when we got there, I'm glad it happened. I bet that if Hitler existed today, people would be telling us to wait as well with him.

Oddly enough, a few countries -did- have that stance with Hitler prior to WWII. France, the country that had the idea that 'waiting is best', had the same stance in WWII before Hitler made his first move. The only Frenchwoman I know is still bitter about France being as foolish as it is, doing the same thing right now.

But Tsukasa is correct. The public doesn't get to know half of what goes on there. I know this much from my friends who are in the Navy. They're not directly involved, but the information they recieve is the closest to what's really happening. Of course, they can't say much, but they tend to push the point that we don't know jack about the real situation.

And it's better that way.

I think war should always be 'over there'. It shouldn't be something we can stick our noses into. All our soldiers need to see is that we support them from behind, and not that people are protesting their bravery because 'war is wrong'.

Oh, and Ion... shut up, and go back to your corner >_>_

(few of you will get that, and that's fine with me. u_U)

Elk · Post by **Elk** » Sat May 10, 2003 4:26 pm

A few people beleive that Bushy-boy just wants to blow up things... I see a good cause coming from his "war on Terrorism" ..but I beleive it sort of took it too far when he said "You're either with us, or against us. There is no inbetween." which causes alot of debate concerning countries that don't feel the need to goto war.
.....I'm sorry if I've made an idiot of myself... I more than likely have no say in this, being Canadian & all.

Tsukasa · Post by **Tsukasa** » Sat May 10, 2003 4:29 pm

War is not something that you can help, really. It's often times not the best solution, but when all other solutions are out, what are you going to do then? Obviously, waiting isn't the answer. And talking hasn't worked for 11 years. What makes you think it'll suddenly work now?

...and he's laughing, Sora. He's -so- laughing at you right now. n.n;;; You shouldn't have said that. ^^;;; He's still being ambiguous on what he wants, though. u.u;; I -hate- it when he does that. >.<;

A few people beleive that Bushy-boy just wants to blow up things... I see a good cause coming from his "war on Terrorism" ..but I beleive it sort of took it too far when he said "You're either with us, or against us. There is no inbetween." which causes alot of debate concerning countries that don't feel the need to goto war.
.....I'm sorry if I've made an idiot of myself... I more than likely have no say in this, being Canadian & all.

Oh, you're not being an idiot at all. I agree with what you said on that. That is enough to make others feel worried about the situation, and honestly, I would have not said those words. I do agree that good things are coming out of this- especially when I heard that quite a few of the Al Qaida people we're trying to capture were captured while we were in Iraq. I think that should say something, in the end, ne? n.n;;