Maha (Now with Spoiler Warning action!)

Kotetsu · Post by **Kotetsu** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:04 pm

oh... ok, im sorry

Cobweb · Post by **Cobweb** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:11 pm

I will go insane if anybody else refers to Maha as *it!* Repeat this relaxing mantra: Maha = "she" ... Maha = "she" ... Maha = "she" ... ad nauseum.

FireDraconian · Post by **FireDraconian** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:57 pm

Well, Maha does look rather boyish in SIGN. And you never hear a voice in SIGN either, to help choose... and why the heck is that? How come Tsukasa can hear a voice but no one else (IE, us) can't? I feel jipped.

YashaOokami · Post by **YashaOokami** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:28 pm

Eheh,let's not start with the "Maha's gender is ____ !!" type of thing again -_-;

I too believe that Maha is a she,but seeing as it's an A.I. or rather asexual,it doesnt really matter :/

Invisible Egg! · Post by **Invisible Egg!** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 7:56 pm

Maha = AI

AI = program

program = "it"

To feel pain, one must have sensors that inform you of physical damage. I'm not taking about EMOTIONAL pain, because that's quite different. Now, the human brain feels no physical sensations of its own, meaning if someone were to poke your brain with a spork, you would not feel it.

AIs in .hack may have a self-diagnosis program that lets them know when they are in danger/etc, but what purpose would "feeling pain" serve in their form of existence?

Flame Sage · Post by **Flame Sage** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:22 pm

Well Mia in the games.. dosent she like act like a human? Reacting to Pain? So.. AIs might be in the game but that really dosent mean that they dont FEEL things..
What im trying to say is..
Mia in the games acts like a player and has a SOUL I doubt morgenta intended Mia to be in partys and actually make friends...

Invisible Egg! · Post by **Invisible Egg!** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:31 pm

Data Drained wrote:dosent she like act like a human? Reacting to Pain?

When did she react to pain?

Data Drained wrote:So.. AIs might be in the game but that really dosent mean that they dont FEEL things..

Do you feel pain when you play videogames? I don't.

Data Drained wrote:Mia in the games acts like a player and has a SOUL

Now she has a soul? Wow.

Data Drained wrote:I doubt morgenta intended Mia to be in partys and actually make friends

Ah yes, how could I forget about MORGENTA.

Cobweb · Post by **Cobweb** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 9:19 pm

Since when does gender depend on gonads? Never - about as long as sentient thought has depended on a physical brain. It's all just a matter of personal identity. If Mia = Maha and Mia wants to be thought of as female, then why shouldn't we all use "she/her" in regard to them?
(For the same reason I feel that Tsukasa should be referred to as "he/him" until he gets his memories back in episode 24 and identifies as female again ... but that's a topic for another time.)
More to the point, we're all talking about an *RPG.* People can choose their own identities. It would be considered impolite at best and (extremely offensive at worst) to call a female PC "he" just because the human behind the character is male.
Finally, *it* has all kinds of negative connotations in English, including the idea of ownership and being an object - inanimate and meaningless. (Gets off soapbox.)

YashaOokami · Post by **YashaOokami** » Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:28 am

Morgenta..hahahaha XD
Woo,thats rich.

Hm,dont know what to say really.With Mia,and how The World is falling a part at this stage,it is also taking effect on her as well.That's the only resemblence I see.

-kicks soapbox around and makes it crash into a wall-

FireDraconian · Post by **FireDraconian** » Sat Aug 23, 2003 3:28 am

Tsukasa feels pain. I see no reason why Maha would not as well. In any case, it is obvious by the expressions on her face that she does.

Sora · Post by **Sora** » Sat Aug 23, 2003 3:36 am

Maha never has a really definite gender. As Maha, the character model is a boy.

As Mia, the character model is a girl, but his voice is somewhat deep for a girl, and he refers to himself in a more boyish term. He says 'boku', which yes, can be used for a girl, but tends to be for the tomboyish ones who are trying to seem more masculine.

The gender issue is so ambiguous that it doesn't really matter if you call Maha/Mia he, she, or it. Language conotations aside, Cobweb, I think most of us understand what the other means if we say 'it' instead of he or she. Maha/Mia won't get offended, he isn't real.

And, if you've noticed, I switch gender in mid paragraph in reference to Maha/Mia, so as long as we're all communicating on the same level, I don't think it's a real issue. So don't start telling us how we have to refer to Maha/Mia, because in the end, it's our choice, and you will simply have to live with it.

Cobweb · Post by **Cobweb** » Sat Aug 23, 2003 8:39 am

Yeah, that's true. I'm just upset because I like Maha, and it seems like no one else does because s/he can't talk. There ain't no justice.
(Segues unobservably away from shame) Does anybody know *why* she can't talk? Or at least, why only Tsukasa can hear him/her? I think it's supposed to represent that Maha is a part of Morgana and thus not "whole" ... after his/her rebellion Maha becomes Mia, who *can* talk.

YashaOokami · Post by **YashaOokami** » Sat Aug 23, 2003 5:27 pm

Eh...nope,I never could figure that out myself o.o;
Maybe that since Tsukasa was picked by Morgana,Maha was only allowed to talk to him,Only.For Mia,seeing as she is running around on her own,she is free to do what she wants,while Morganna keeps an eye on Mia's actions.

That's what I believe,other than that,I have no clue :/

And dont worry Cobweb,there are other Maha fans out there [Me being one of them]there is even a site for a Maha fanlisting ^^; So Maha isnt forgotten,really.

Flame Sage · Post by **Flame Sage** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 6:38 pm

heh well i think im gona revive this post.. anyway..
Just because something is in a AI dosent mean it cannot react to things..
if Maha didnt have a soul he wouldnt have saved Tsukasa...

Elk · Post by **Elk** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 6:40 pm

Data Drained wrote:heh well i think im gona revive this post.. anyway..
Just because something is in a AI dosent mean it cannot react to things..
if Maha didnt have a soul he wouldnt have saved Tsukasa...

UGH!!! NOOOO!!! Not that stupid discussion again... If anything.. I hope this never comes up ever again.. Please, Mods! Lock this!!