Sora's katar in vol.3 is only 30 somehting, but then on eis vol.4 is 99
Subaru, if I remeber correctly it is called "We can meet because of god's deed"
Tsukasa "That jerk world"
And level has nothign to do with what weapon you can equipe. Tsukasa is only lv.5 when he joins but he has a 99 staff.
BTW, Helba's rod is Rod of Eight Sage not winge dman.
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Let me rephrase, then.
I've not seen Sora's Katars in the 4th volume because I heard about them from the THIRD volume, thus my reasoning behind stating that they were not level 99.
Consequently, I should clarify that by 'use' I meant 'use effectively'. We know, canonly, in Udeden, it's stated that using an item way above your level means that it's bound to malfunction/screw up/botch things. In order to use something effectively, you need to master it, or be near enough that it won't go screwy on you.
I don't count the characters or their weapons at the end of Volume 4 to be particularly useful for anything other than goofing off. It's a freebie, of course their weapons are going to be freakish.
I've not seen Sora's Katars in the 4th volume because I heard about them from the THIRD volume, thus my reasoning behind stating that they were not level 99.
Consequently, I should clarify that by 'use' I meant 'use effectively'. We know, canonly, in Udeden, it's stated that using an item way above your level means that it's bound to malfunction/screw up/botch things. In order to use something effectively, you need to master it, or be near enough that it won't go screwy on you.
I don't count the characters or their weapons at the end of Volume 4 to be particularly useful for anything other than goofing off. It's a freebie, of course their weapons are going to be freakish.
Sora you are really off on that use weapon idea. In the game, character can use any weapon they want without trouble. When Ryoko joins in vol.3 with only signle digit level. I give her a lv. 40 soemthing axe yet she still us eit without much problem. It just when she use the spells it cost nearly all her mp becaus eshe don't have that much, other than that nothing wrong. I mean Subarau who is only lv.30 also has a lv.99 weapon. And she use it well, and all her equipment is above 70 in level. And she has no problem when she fight, and sh eis neraly good as a level 80 characet rthnaks to her powerful equipments.
Plus in Udeden, they are playing a later version fo .hack, system changed between it. So the system in Uden don't apply to the game. You see PK isn't banned until the game, and the weapon level has no side effetc until Udeden.
Plus in Udeden, they are playing a later version fo .hack, system changed between it. So the system in Uden don't apply to the game. You see PK isn't banned until the game, and the weapon level has no side effetc until Udeden.
Of course it's a later .hack, The World in Udeden is from many years in our future.
Remember, the .hack game you're playing isn't the same as The World. It's a game. It's a reeeeeeeeeal game. The games in .hack are not exactly the same as in The World.
Of course, this renders any argument null and void because you get into a discussion about what part of .hack is part of The World, and what part is just the RPG you're playing (.hack). We don't know all the gameplay rules of The World. The best feel we have of that is when we watch //SIGN or something like that.
What gives me the indication that Tsukasa's weapon, nor Sora's weapon, nor Subaru's weapon in the 4th volume of .hack are canonly level 99 is the episode of .hack when Mimiru offers Tsukasa a 'better weapon' they found and he refuses. Well, you can't get much better than level 99, can you? No, you can't, we have established this canonly.
My argument is more on the idea that the Sora, Tsukasa, and Subaru you can play with in Vol. 4 are just fun gifts for playing the game and beating it. If I recall correctly, from the information I'm given by Rhyste, that you get these three as Wandering AI and you're told to, more or less, look after them.
They aren't the REAL Subaru, Tsukasa, and Sora then? Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I'm basing this information off of. They don't HAVE Tsukasa, Subaru, and Sora's -real- weapons, they have a super-level version of it. This would make sense if, when you get Sora's true Katars, they are only level 30. They would have -NO REASON TO CHANGE- between games.
-THIS- is why I say that Sora's weapons are not canonly level 99 because the ones you GET are level 30 something, and those are the only version of 'Sora's Katars' that I will truly consider to be canon. The ones you get with Sora are maxed out because he's an AI.
As far as USING them, I did not say that you couldn't smack something with a high level weapon and it wouldn't do good damage. I'm, once again, referring to the use of skills that some weapons come with.
Saying she has to use THAT MUCH MP because she doesn't have that much, this supports -my- theory. In order to use those spells effectively, she needs to be higher level so that she doesn't run out of MP so quickly. That's why a higher-level weapon is good for smacking things, provided you don't miss a lot, but not good so far as skills that come with the weapon.
This is the same as my idea that Sora needs to be -close- enough to the level of his weapon, or higher, to have his 'luck' or 'skill' or whatever it is that increases the chance of criticals trigger off more often than not, so he can make proper use of the 'dying' ability.
Remember, the skills in the .hack games are not ALL of the skills we've seen available in The World! We've seen, clearly, classes in .hack//SIGN that aren't in the .hack games. Archers, for one thing, are not in the .hack games for us to play with.
This is why I base my theory on using the 'dying' critical/skill off of other MMORPGs, since the information on it is not canonly given.
Oh, and one more note.
What's to say PK is banned? Just because you can't do it in the game doesn't mean that it's banned. Just.. most smart people won't do it, you know? Also, it would be BAD for the plot of the game if you went over and PKed, say, Elk. There. Now he won't want to play with you AT ALL. Now, you can beat the first game without him, I'm sure, but what about later? In a game whose sales depend on a continuing plot, you can't even allow a player that option, because they WILL take it, and then, since he's require for plot-things later, you've ruined the game. People will be pissed that they bought all four games only to be unable to beat it properly.
Now, if they had more time and programming, I'm sure they could figure out a way that you could PK your entire cast and then still beat the game when nobody liked you.. but then you'd have to get different endings, and that's MORE programming and time, etc etc.. nobody on the project, it seems, wanted to go that route.
Remember, the .hack games are bound by current RPG standards. Even if it's a new idea for a console RPG, they can't go beyond the time and manpower they have to produce and sell these games to make them 'perfect'.
Remember, the .hack game you're playing isn't the same as The World. It's a game. It's a reeeeeeeeeal game. The games in .hack are not exactly the same as in The World.
Of course, this renders any argument null and void because you get into a discussion about what part of .hack is part of The World, and what part is just the RPG you're playing (.hack). We don't know all the gameplay rules of The World. The best feel we have of that is when we watch //SIGN or something like that.
What gives me the indication that Tsukasa's weapon, nor Sora's weapon, nor Subaru's weapon in the 4th volume of .hack are canonly level 99 is the episode of .hack when Mimiru offers Tsukasa a 'better weapon' they found and he refuses. Well, you can't get much better than level 99, can you? No, you can't, we have established this canonly.
My argument is more on the idea that the Sora, Tsukasa, and Subaru you can play with in Vol. 4 are just fun gifts for playing the game and beating it. If I recall correctly, from the information I'm given by Rhyste, that you get these three as Wandering AI and you're told to, more or less, look after them.
They aren't the REAL Subaru, Tsukasa, and Sora then? Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I'm basing this information off of. They don't HAVE Tsukasa, Subaru, and Sora's -real- weapons, they have a super-level version of it. This would make sense if, when you get Sora's true Katars, they are only level 30. They would have -NO REASON TO CHANGE- between games.
-THIS- is why I say that Sora's weapons are not canonly level 99 because the ones you GET are level 30 something, and those are the only version of 'Sora's Katars' that I will truly consider to be canon. The ones you get with Sora are maxed out because he's an AI.
As far as USING them, I did not say that you couldn't smack something with a high level weapon and it wouldn't do good damage. I'm, once again, referring to the use of skills that some weapons come with.
She uses it 'without much problem'. Are the problems, then? Does she miss a lot? I don't know, I haven't played that volume, but I'd like to know. If she doesn't have any problem using it, say so. 'much problem' implies that she has a little bit of trouble with it.When Ryoko joins in vol.3 with only signle digit level. I give her a lv. 40 soemthing axe yet she still us eit without much problem. It just when she use the spells it cost nearly all her mp becaus eshe don't have that much, other than that nothing wrong.
Saying she has to use THAT MUCH MP because she doesn't have that much, this supports -my- theory. In order to use those spells effectively, she needs to be higher level so that she doesn't run out of MP so quickly. That's why a higher-level weapon is good for smacking things, provided you don't miss a lot, but not good so far as skills that come with the weapon.
This is the same as my idea that Sora needs to be -close- enough to the level of his weapon, or higher, to have his 'luck' or 'skill' or whatever it is that increases the chance of criticals trigger off more often than not, so he can make proper use of the 'dying' ability.
Remember, the skills in the .hack games are not ALL of the skills we've seen available in The World! We've seen, clearly, classes in .hack//SIGN that aren't in the .hack games. Archers, for one thing, are not in the .hack games for us to play with.
This is why I base my theory on using the 'dying' critical/skill off of other MMORPGs, since the information on it is not canonly given.
Oh, and one more note.
What's to say PK is banned? Just because you can't do it in the game doesn't mean that it's banned. Just.. most smart people won't do it, you know? Also, it would be BAD for the plot of the game if you went over and PKed, say, Elk. There. Now he won't want to play with you AT ALL. Now, you can beat the first game without him, I'm sure, but what about later? In a game whose sales depend on a continuing plot, you can't even allow a player that option, because they WILL take it, and then, since he's require for plot-things later, you've ruined the game. People will be pissed that they bought all four games only to be unable to beat it properly.
Now, if they had more time and programming, I'm sure they could figure out a way that you could PK your entire cast and then still beat the game when nobody liked you.. but then you'd have to get different endings, and that's MORE programming and time, etc etc.. nobody on the project, it seems, wanted to go that route.
Remember, the .hack games are bound by current RPG standards. Even if it's a new idea for a console RPG, they can't go beyond the time and manpower they have to produce and sell these games to make them 'perfect'.
PK is banned, read you in game notes cleraly.
And Equiping higher weapons has no side effect. The only problem is mp cost, as hig level weapons comes with high level spell, low level characetr with low mp might not be able to use them
But no misisng or anythign liek you said.
And the Tsukasa, Subaru, Sora are the adadoned character of the original. Helba just save their character model when they left the game and made them self conscious AI. They character model is the exact same as the original. The only different is now they are pilot by AI that Helba arranged.
Plus in vol.4 My Kite data drain a levl 99 weapon and equiped even he just lv.76. And when I beat the game, my level is only 88. Geesh, And that weapon works perfectly well. If it do have problem liek you said, I might have died in the thrid Cubia batte. Since by then my avergeage level of team is about 82 only, and all of them already has lv.99 weapons thanks to DD. Well You see, high level weapon is not goin gto screw you up.
And Equiping higher weapons has no side effect. The only problem is mp cost, as hig level weapons comes with high level spell, low level characetr with low mp might not be able to use them
But no misisng or anythign liek you said.
And the Tsukasa, Subaru, Sora are the adadoned character of the original. Helba just save their character model when they left the game and made them self conscious AI. They character model is the exact same as the original. The only different is now they are pilot by AI that Helba arranged.
Plus in vol.4 My Kite data drain a levl 99 weapon and equiped even he just lv.76. And when I beat the game, my level is only 88. Geesh, And that weapon works perfectly well. If it do have problem liek you said, I might have died in the thrid Cubia batte. Since by then my avergeage level of team is about 82 only, and all of them already has lv.99 weapons thanks to DD. Well You see, high level weapon is not goin gto screw you up.
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well, I know that sora's weapon, tsukasa's and subaru's can't have a level that high ^^; it's merely made a lvl 99 rare so that you won't need to change it and see them with their original weapons. You have finished the game, anyway ^^;;
And in vol 3 you got sora's weapon, it's not lvl 99 rare, it's 70 sumthin rare if i'm not mistaken (I think I am). it's made around that level so that you will actually use it, I guess.
And you got Kurim's weapon too. lvl 80-90 sumthin rare (I think I'm mistaken here, too, but I know it's quite distinct from sora's katars). we got it in volume four. We all think that Kurim's and sora's weapon and equipment lvl should be around the same level, but they aren't. The levels there don't show the actual weapon level in SIGN, but is made at that level so that it can be useful.
And in vol 3 you got sora's weapon, it's not lvl 99 rare, it's 70 sumthin rare if i'm not mistaken (I think I am). it's made around that level so that you will actually use it, I guess.
And you got Kurim's weapon too. lvl 80-90 sumthin rare (I think I'm mistaken here, too, but I know it's quite distinct from sora's katars). we got it in volume four. We all think that Kurim's and sora's weapon and equipment lvl should be around the same level, but they aren't. The levels there don't show the actual weapon level in SIGN, but is made at that level so that it can be useful.
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Equipping a high lvl weapon on a low level character does affect the character's preformance greatly. Not only because of the low SP but like Sora said they do thend to miss alot. I don't know much bout volume 4, but if the characters are infact AI, then I can probibly see why they have lvl 99 weapons and make it seem like it doesn't affect thier preformance. There's no way of knowing though untill we actually play the game and see for ourselves.
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